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Θέμα: Apantiseis kai arkas



(nil): Yiannis Demetriou (s0454967(@)sms.ed.ac.uk)
Ημερομηνία: Τετ 25 Μάι 2005 - 14:26:57 EEST

Pedia zito signomi prokatavolika alla den mporo na min apantiso dimosia ston
Al kai ston Nefarious. Evala ke sinimeno arka omos, tin sineheia tou Lykou.
Osoi then thelete min diavazete parakato.
        
Al Bandy, O siggekrimenos istorikos pou les O Ioannis o Nikiou, vasistike
ston Sokrati. Ezise poli meta apo afton kai opos leei h idia h eggiklopedia
pou epikalise, vasizete ston Sokrati kai apla vgazei ta dika tou
simperasmata. Herete yia ton thanato tis Ypatias kai fysika einai lathos
afto.

Oso yia tin frasi pou les tin eida. Leei "probable involvement" kai "at
least toleration". Diladi leei an den einai enohos, to anehthike afto. Then
timorise kanenan. Yia to proto emena to probable then mou apodikniei tipota
eno to theftero then to katalambeno. O Kyrillos eitan ekklisiastiki arhi.
Itan o episkopos. H ekklisia then timorei oute kleftes oute dolofonous. Tous
voithaei na metanoisoun. H politiki arhi eprepe na kanei kati alla apo oti
fenete tipota then egine. To oti aftoi pou egrapsan to keimeno apetoun na
eihe kanei kati einai dioti then gnorizoun ton tropo pou h ekklisia tou
Theou Energei h akomi kai epidei prospathoun na vlapsoun aftin tin ekklisia
(vlepe pio kato yia leptomeries).

Tora pame ston Nefarious.

Tha arhiso apo to telos tou email sou pou milaei se emena. Tha sou po yia
mena oti eho ftasei edo pou eftasa otan gnorisa ton plouto tis Orthodoxis
pistis siga siga se diastima 2 xronon. Ama mpeis ston kopo na mathis sosta
tin didaskalia tou Xristou, tis Ayias Grafis kai ton Pateron tis ekklisias
tha anakalipseis tetion plouto kai anoterotita pou tha se magnitisei. Then
peftei se kanena adieksodo, se kamia logiki antifasi kai se kanena psema
opos kanoun oi alloi (Mousoulmanoi, Indouistes, Boudistes, Protestantes,
Papikoi klp).
Tote h istoria tou pos kai yiati then tha einai to kentriko simio tis
Orthodoxias alla to Dogma. Vevea kai I istoria einai episeis simantiki kai
pezei ton rolo tis. Yi'ayto tha vreis apantiseis kai stis katigories pou
etheses se ayto to email. Prota prepi na skefteis oti h Orthodoxia ehei enan
poli ishiro exthro. Ola ta dogmata ston kosmo, tis aireseis kai thriskies,
paganistikes kai mi, pou ipokinounte apo ton orkismeno exthro tou Theou, ton
Satana kai tous demones tou. Opote einai polloi aftoi pou yposkaptoun kai
polemoun tin Orthodoxia. Yia na katalaveis stin Eggiklopedia Encarta pou
einai apo tis pio dikees eggiklopedies pou eho dei (px leei kai kala pramata
yia ton Saddam!) ama pas sto limma chants (psalmodies) ehei 6 diaforetika
sound samples simperilamvanomenou 2 eidi voudistwn kai Coptic (pou posoi
einai aftoi anyway!?) kai then ehei orthodoxo sound sample pou einai apo ta
vasikotera eidi kai to proto Xristianiko eidos Psalmodias! H na po yia ton
mitho pou epikrati stin dysi oti o Xristianismos efere ton Messeona kai ta
skotadia. Otan stin dysi epikratousan oi feoudarhes kai o skotadismos, h
Anatoliki Ekklisia itan sto apoyio tis dimiouryias tis. Yia tin gnisia
Romaiki Aytokratoria (H opos oi dytikoi tin apokaloun, Vyzantio) then yparhi
kati pou leme Meseonas kai skotadismos. Antitheta panta ypirhe dimiouryia,
epistimes, filosofia, arhitektoniki kai kalitehnia. Tous dromous tis Polis
kosmousan arhaioellinika agalmata! kai oi polites tis pragmatikis Romaikis
Aftokratorias sevontan to Arhaio Elliniko Pneyma kai tin Filosofia tin opian
didaskontan sta sholia! Afto pou then thehontan itan tin latria ton 12
Theon. O skotadismos epilthe me tis stavrofories ton dytikon pou skopo eihan
tin katastrofi tis konstantinoupolis kai tis metepita exaplosis tou
Islamismou apo tous Tourkous.
Yia na sholiaso kai tis katigories kata tou vyzantiou na anafero oti oi
Xristianoi ehoun ypoferei para polla apo tous Ethnikous akomi kai kata tin
diarkeia tou Vyzantiou. To oti tora antistrefoun tis katigories oi
Paganistes katanta gelio. Edo tha vrite ena arthro parmeno apo tin
"Kathimerini":
http://www.oodegr.com/neopaganismos/romi/wfelise1.htm

Episeis edo se ayta ta links yparhoun polla stiheia:
http://www.oodegr.com/neopaganismos/diogmoi/diogmoi.htm
http://www.oodegr.com/neopaganismos/diogmoi/arxaiol1.htm
http://www.oodegr.com/neopaganismos/diogmoi/anyparkt1.htm
http://www.oodegr.com/neopaganismos/diogmoi/theodosios1.htm

Pame omos parakato.

Les oti thehese ton Xristo kai ton sevese san anthropo kai ta didagmata tou
ta xereis. Tote tha xereis oti eipe metaxi allon: "ego eimai to Fos tou
Kosmou, ego eimai mesa ston Patera kai o Pateras einai mesa emou. "Ego eimai
h Odos, h Alithia kai h Zoi, kaneis then mporei na paei sto Patera para mono
dia emou. An me xerate tha xerate kai ton Patera mou. Apo tora ton xerete
kai ton ehete eidi. Legei se afton o Filippos: Kirie dixe mas ton Patera kai
mas arkei. Legei se afton o Ihsous: Toro kairo eime mazi sas kai den me
egnorises Filippe. Ekinos pou ehei eidi eme ehei eidi ton Patera" Episeis
allou leei Ego eimai h Zoi kai h Anastasis, mono ego xero ton Patera kai
mono o Pateras me xerei emena, o Yios tou Theou, o Mesias pou perimename kai
alla paromia. Oi Evreoi ton stavrosan dioti elege oti einai yos tou Theou
kai Mesias. Tote ton Xristo prepi na ton theoroume h trello h pragmatika Yio
tou Theou kai Theo. Dioti mas leei o Idios pios einai xekathara kai leei oti
yia mena milane oi Grafes (oi Palaia Diathiki) Pos loipon Nefarie les oti
xereis tin didaskalia tou Xristou alla ton ektimas san anthropo. An htan
sketo anthropos ego then tha ton ektimousa yiati tha itan o pio egoistis
anthropos pou ipirxe pote! To afinoume kai pame akoma pio piso.

Se olous tous laous tou kosmou, simperilamvanomenou kai tous Ellines ypirhan
profiteies yia ton erhomo kapiou mesia pou tha sosei ton kosmo. Afinoume
tous allous laous (Indous, Kinezous, klp) kai pernoume tous Arhaious Ellines
pu toso thaymazeis (kai ego tous thaymazo kai tous sevome os progonous mou
yia tin Filosofia kai tis Epistimes pou kaliergisan alla ohi yia ton tropo
zois tous).

Oi Ellines loipon eihan ftasei se toso ashimi katastasi pou eitan douloi tis
filidonias, h gyneka eihe tin pleon ashimi thesi stin koinonia, ypirhe h
douleia, h omofylofilia kai pederasteia kai itan ola kati to apodekto. Ola
afta ta krivoun epimelos ta vivlia tis Istorias mas me kapies mikres
anafores mono, alla ama meletiseis Istoria sta xena panepistimia einai
megala kefalea pou perigrafoun tin tote koinonia. Ego eilikrina ntrepomoun
pou ta diavaza afta. Ekei loipon eftasan oi Arhaioi Ellines me theous pou
esy tous les aggelous oi opioi elegan psemata, apistousan, sinousiazontan me
theous kai thnitous anekselekta, eihan prosopa zoon, emplekontan se polemous
kai ena soro alla. Episeis aftoi oi Theoi eihan tous anthropous sta podia
tous na tous podopatisoun kai tous theorousan katoterous kai anaksious kathe
prosohis paramono an erotevotan kamia pitsirika o Dias h ama ithele I
Afroditi kanenan nearo. H zoi then ehi kanena noima afou kataligis panta
ston skotino Adh xoris elpida kai sotiria. Kai pragmati etsi itan dioti o
Antrhopos ekdioktike apo ton paradiso kai etsi ama pethene vriskotan sto
skotadi makria apo to Theo.

Kai omos kapioi filosofoi stin Arhaia ellada eihan aganaktisei me ola afta.
Milousan yia ton Ypsisto Theo pou dimiourgise olous tous allous theous
(aggelous kai demones) alla kai tous thnitous. Kai genika o kosmos eihe
kourastei me to 12theo kai apozitouse kati kenourio. Ola ta megala pneymata
tis epohis (Thalis, Pythagoras, Sokratis, Platon, Aristotelis) prospathousan
na siggratisoun ton kosmo apo tin katifora pou eihe pari alla matea. Malista
edo stin Arhaia Ellada, h epithimia kai oi profities yia ton Mesia einai
entonoteres kai safesteres apo opoudipote allou (an exeresoume tous Profites
tis Paleias Diathikis).

O Aishilos ston Promithea Thesmoti, ehei tin IO kai ton Promitha ston
parakato thialogo:

IO: Pios einai aftos pout ha se lysei horis tin thelisi tou Dia?
Promitheas: Enas apo tous dikous sou apogonous prepei na einai.
IO: Pos eipes? Alithia? Diko mou paidi tha se apallaxei apo ta vasana?
Promitheas: Tritis genias gennima tha einia meta apo deka genies.

Thiladi edo mas leei oti se 13 genies tha gennithi kapios apo mia partheno
(h Ios itan parthenos pou tin kinigouse o Dias na tin apaftosi) kai horis
tin Thelisi tou Dia tha eleftherosei ton Promithea pou simvolizei edo tin
demeni anthropotita. Apo tin epohi tou Promithea tou Aishilou mehri tin
gennisi tou Xristou mesolavisan 13 genies.
Se ena allo simio stin idia tragodia o Ermis leei:
Safta ta vasana sou terma kanena na min perimeneis prin fanei kai na
thelisei kapios apo tous theous na parei ta vasana sou epano tou kai na paei
ston skoteino Adi, sta skotiniasmena vathi tou Tartarou.

Edo na prostheso oti O Xristos me ton Thanato tou katevike ston Adh opou
kirixe tin Vasilia ton Ouranon.

Kai meta pame sto megalitero isos Ellina filosofo, ton Sokrati kai ton
mathiti tou, Platon, pou apokalestikan prodromoi tou Xristianismou. O
Sokratis aparnite entelos to Dodekatheo me aidia kai milaei yia enan Theo
pano apo ola ta alla. Kai milaei sinehos yia kapion pou tha erthei na
didaksei tous anthropous kai na tous sosei.

Se enan dialogo tou me ton Alkiviadi leei o Sokratis vlepontas ton
Alkiviathi na kanei mia thisia:

Sokratis: Einai anaggi loipon na perimenei kaneis mehri na mathei pos prepi
stous theous kai tous anthropous na simperiferonte.
Alkiviathis: Pote tha erthi lipon ayti h ora Sokrati, kai pou einai aftos
pou tha mas didaxei? Yiati nomizo me polli hara tha evlepa ayton ton
anthropo, pios einai.
Sokratis: Aytos pou niazete yia sena, alla mou fenete, opos kai ston Diomidi
leei o Omiros oti h Athina afairese tin ahlin, yia na xehorizei kala ton
theo h ton anthropo, etsi kai se sena prepei proton men apo tin psihi tin
ahlin afou afairesei, pou tora iparhei, tote idi na sou prosferei afta me ta
opia prokeite na gnorizeis ti einai kako kai ti einai kalo, yiati tora then
mou fainete pos tha mporeseis.

Vlepeis lipon oti o Soratis perimenei kapion pou tha erthi ohi mono na mas
thithaksi alla kai na mas sosei, thioti o antrhopos eihe pesi toso kato pou
den mporouse na xehorisei to kalo kai to kako.

Telos o Platonas stin "Politeia" milaei prota kai didei tin eikona tou
Adikou Anthropou, kai meta sinehizei kai dinei tin eikona tou dikaiou. Kai
aftos o dikaios anthropos leei o Platon, tha theorithei adikos eno einai
dikeos se oli tou tin zoi, tha mastigothei, tha strevlothei, tha dethei, tha
anapsoun ta matia tou kai afou pathei ola afta ta kaka tha karfothei pano se
passalo.

Mporo na katso edo kai na grapso yia dekathes akoma periptoseis mono apo tin
Arhaia Ellada. Opote oi sofoi stin Arhaia Ellada perimenan ton Messia kai
etimazontan na ton dehtoun. Malista o Xristos eihe profitefsei oti oi Evreoi
tha hasoun tin evnia tou Theou kai tha tin kerthisoun oi Ethnikoi
(paganistes) epidi tha pistepsoun. Then thimame pos akrivos to eipe ama
thelete omos to vrisko. Kai pragmati etsi egine me tin Romaiki Aftokratoria
pou egine Xristianiki. Oi Ellines me tin filosofia eftasan toso psila pou
eitan etimoi na dehtoun tin psili didaskalia tou Xristou, kati pou oi Evreoi
then mporesan na kanoun dioti perimenan ena Vasilia dinato na tous
eleytherosei apo tous Romeous. O Xristos then tous arese thioti elege yia
mian alli vasileia, elege yia tapinosi kai metania, oste na exipsothoume
ksana eki pou anikoume.

Telos anafero typika tous profites ton Evreon, tis profiteies tis kinezikis
grammatias kai tou Vouda kai ton Indon, ton Romaion klp klp. Osoi mou poun
yia tin periptosi ton Evraion oti h Vivlos perase apo allages kai einai
ftiahti (yparhoun kai tetia) apanto me ta arhaia siggrammata pou vrethikan
(dessert sea scrolls) kai metafrazonte tora, xronologimena pro Xristou kai
fenete na simfonoun stin entelia me tin trehousa ekdosi tis Palaias
Diathikis sta Arhaia Ellinika, tin legomeni metafrasi twn evdomikonta pou
ehei diatirithei apo tin Orthodoxi Ekklisia. Pio poli kai apo tin Evraiki
ekdosi thioti oi Evreoi allaxan pragmata pou then eithelan logo tis mi
pistis tous ston Xristo os ton Messia pou perimenan. Malista oi papikoi
arhisan doulia na allaxoun tis dikes tous metafraseis dioti aftes oi arhees
pou vrethikan einai pio sostes. Omos oi Orthodoxoi den ehoun anagi apo kati
tetio thioti thiatirisan tin Palaia diathiki gnisia horis allages kai
epirroes.

Fenete o Theos frontise na enimerosei olous tous Laous oti kapios tha
erhotan na tous sosei. Kapios pou tha itan o Idios tou O Theos. Kai vlepoume
ayton ton kapion, aftes tis perigrafes na teriazoun sto Prosopo tou Xristou.
Vlepontas tis didahes tou Xristou kai tin zoi Tou, einai akrivos antithetes
me tis paganistikes filidones sinithies. Yiati arage?

Edo erhete h Xristianiki Dogmatiki. Ti einai o Theos, ti oi Themones, ta
Pneymata klp. Kai ama silleksoume ola osa mas leei h Ayia Grafi kai oi
Pateres Ayioi vgenoun periliptika ta akoloutha (Tha mporusa na sas ta grapso
me anafores kai citations alla then eho ton hrono)

O Theos einai anarhos kai axronos. Aftos ehei dimiourgisei ton Xrono kai tin
yli. Ta pneymata (Aggeloi, Demones kai Antrhopoi) einai oloi mesa ston
Xrono.

O Theos einai h apoliti agapi kai mas parehei pliri eleftheria. Ypirhan 10
tagmata aggeloi kai o Arhaggelos tou enos apo afta theorise oti then tou
aresei I parousa katastasi, yperifaneytike kai pistepse oti mpori na ginei
theos. Etsi ehase tin thesi tou mazi me olous tous aggelous tou tagmatos tou
pou ton akolouthisan. Epithi apomakrithikan apo tin Hari tou Theou kai tin
agapi tou pou einai pigi fotos kai zois eginan skotinoi demones orkismenoi
enantion tou theou. Etsi o Theos Dimiourgise emas tous Anthropous pros
antikatastasi (Ayios Kosmas o Aitolos, Didahes). Omos o Satanas den theli na
simvei afto kai mas paresire sti amartia kai ta pathoi. Ehei tin dynatotita
na mas vazei logismous kai na mas paraseiri alla den ehi kamia eksousia
epano mas ektos an tou to epitrepsoume emis me tis amarties mas kai o Theos
yia na mas didaksei kati. Thelontas lipon na paraseiri akomi perissotero
tous ekptotus anthropous, parousiazonte oi diaforoi demones os theoi se
diafores paganistikes thriskies se olo ton kosmo pou ehoun terasties
omiotites kai stin didaskalia kai sta diafora special effects (demonismenoi,
xrismoi, kapnoi, foties klp pou xrisimopioun oi themones na pithoun) alla
kai stous tropous latrias.

Kai o Theos perimeni tin katallili stigmi na mas sosei dioti ponaei pou
ehoume xefigei kai giname sklavoi tou Satana. Foteizei merikous anthropous
na mas proetimasoun kai stelnei ton Yio tou pou einai Theos isotimos me
ayton na mas sosei. Then mporei na mas fanerothei kai na mas pei pistepsete
se emena ego ime h alithia kai h agapi san Theos epidi tote tha paraviaze
tin eleftheria mas. O Theos mpori na kanei ta panta ektos apo ena, na
paraviasei tin eleytheria tis thelisis mas. Ohi yiati then mporei alla yiati
mas sevete kai mas agapa. Omos afti I eleftheria pou ehoume mas dinei mono
dio epiloges: mazi me ton Theo pou einai to Fos kai h Agapi, h makria apo
ton Theo, pou afto tha simene kai sto eleos tou Satana mesa sto skotadi. Kai
O Xristos erhomenos stin gh mas didakse ton tropo me ton opio tha pame piso
ston Patera mas. Me tapinosi, apoliti agapi kai polli proseyhi. Thelei leei
apo emas na ginoume telioi na ginoume theoi. Kai mporoume alla ohi monoi
mas. Me tin voithia tou Patera. Kai o Satanas prospathi me kathe tropo na
mas empodisei kai apomakrinei.
Vlepeis se antithesei me tis paganistikes (satanistikes) thriskeies o
Anthropos then einai ena tipota opos theli o Satanas na pistevoume. Einai
ftiagmenos na einai konta ston Patera, na einai theos kai na einai
yperipsomenos stin Vasileia tou Theou. Kai erhonte oi paganistikes thriskies
kai mas mionoun se pionia tou kathe demona Dia kai Apollona, Ra, Ganesh kai
opiou allou dithen theou.

Afti einai peripou h katastasi. Polloi tha mou poun einai paramithia. Kapote
etsi ta evlepa kai ego. Oso pio poli viono tin ekklisiastiki zoi omos, toso
pio poli allazo gnomi. Ehei allaxei entelos h zoi mou, oi protimiseis mou,
oi idees mou se pragmata pou pote then mporousa na fantasto oti tha allaze.
Kai skeftome kati pou ipe o gnostos megalos siggrafeas Filosofos CS Louis,
proin Atheos, oti ama kalesis ton Theo na allaxei kati se esena, aftos
prohoraei kai ta allazei siga siga ola, se kanei san kenourio kai se
yperipsonei konta tou.

Epita na po yia tous eikonismous tou Theou. Vasika then mporoume na
apeikonisoume ton Theo. Mas to apagoreyei o idios me tis entoles tou. To
heri mesa apo ta sinnefa then apikonizei prosopo alla simvolika ton Theo pou
kathodigei tin istoria kai paremvenei prospathontas na mas sosei. H
apikonisi tou Xristou einai stin Anthropini tou morfi. Epidi ehei erthi stin
Gh me antrhopini fysi mporoume na Ton apikonizoume. Oso yia tin eikona tis
Ayias Triadas pou apikonizei ton Patera Yio kai Ayio Pneya me to telefteo os
peristeri, afti h eikona ehei kirixthei os airetiki apo tin 7h oikoumeniki
sinodo, kai omos dystihos sinehizoun merikoi amatheis na tin xrisimopioun.
Oi paganistes mporei meso ton agalmaton afton na min latrevoun ta idia ta
agalmata alla tis "theotites"-demones pou simvolizoun, omos aftoi oi demones
then pavoun na einai htismata tou enos Alithinoun Theou. Ara latrevoun kati
to ktisto (eidolo) kai ohi ton ena Aktisto kai Alithino Theo.

Oso yia ton "axesto" Ierea pou sou ekane Thriskeftika. Kai ego eiha enan
Ierea pou mou ekane thriskeftika pou ton theorousa axesto kai mehri simera
xero pou elege pramata pou then itan sosta. Distihos ayta simvenoun. Oi
Iereis einai kai aftoi anthropoi. To na einai kapios, Iereas, Mitropolitis h
Arhepiskopos then ton kani aftomata oute alanthasto oute kai Ayio. Dehonte
kai aftoi logismous kai peirasmous apo tous demones, perissotero apo kathe
allon dioti oi demones xeroun oti ama tous parasiroun aftous parasironte kai
alloi polloi. Kai simera pio poli apo pote allote yparhi mia krisi stin
Ekklisia pou fenete na ekplironei tin profiteia tou Ayiou Kosma pou elege
yia tin apomakrinsi tou laou apo ton kliro. Esto kai an einai amartoloi omos
o Theos tha tous dosi tin hari tou na telesoun ta theia mystiria, dioti
katadehete tous amartolous kai tous agapa exisou. Kathe Iereas ehei exousia
apo ton Theo pou oute oi Aggeloi then ehoun. Tora an aftos o Iereas then
einai entaxi me tin zoi tou tha logothotisei ston Theo opos oloi mas kai
malista pio afstira dioti einai ypeythinos kai yia polles alles psihes.
 To kalitero pou ehoume na kanoume einai na prosefhomaste na perasei afti I
krisi. Then prepei na katigoroume kanena. Katigoroume tin amartia kai tin
misoume. Ohi omos ton anthropo. Afton ton vlepoume me oli mas tin agapi kai
prosefhomaste yi'afton kai ton voithame oti kai an mas ekane. Afto eipe o
Xristos.

Ama thes na vreis ayious na pas se kanena monastiri. Ekei tha vreis pollous.
Ki ego pisteika telios otan gnorisa enan pragmatika axio geronta pou me tin
fotisi pou ehei ida sto prosopo tou ton Idio ton Xristo. Dioti afto vlepeis
sto prosopo kapiou pragmatika Ayiou. Kai tote eheis mprosta sou tin zontani
apodeiksi oti h therapeia tis Orthodoxias doulevei kai einai 100% alithini.
Pigene lipon se kanena geronta ite sto Ayio Oros ite allou (ama mou pis pou
meneis tha mporousa na rotiso kai na sou po pou na pas) Ki as min pisteveis.
Ama gnoriseis tetious anthropous tote tha katalaveis ti simeni Theosi. Aftoi
oi anthropoi oli mera prosefhonte kai h dinami tous pou pigazei asfalos apo
ton Theo, einai terastia.

Afta eiha yia tin ora. Elpizo na voithisa kati, kai parakalo opion thelei
diefkriniseis (dioti mpori sti viasini mou kati na min to exefrasa kala kai
sosta) h opion ehei apories na mou grapsei prosopika dioti arketa kourasame
tin lista. Ama xero tha tou apantiso. An ohi, kati tha vrethi ston dromo mou
na mou apantisei kai emena, opos sinithos.
Filika,
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Yiannis Demetriou

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School of Engineering & Electronics

University of Edinburgh

y.demetriou(@)sms.ed.ac.uk

(+44) 77 950 36 498

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Άλλο τι δημοτικώτερον παρά την γλώσσαν δεν είναι: ούτε μοναρχίαν ούτε
ολιγαρχίαν υπομένει. Η γλώσσα είν' αυτό το έθνος.
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