H apanthsh tou Vaggeli Kapoula sto periploko problhma.

From: hfgdh fghdfhg (xison3(@)hotmail.com)
Date: Κυρ 08 Ιουλ 2001 - 00:39:42 EEST

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GEIA SE OLOUS.
Stelnw prwta thn apanthsh tou Vaggeli giati den exw xrono twra na grapsw auth pou thelw.Thewrw thn apanthsh safestath(apsogh diatupwsh)kai fusika orthH.Bebaia parablepw thn profanh aproseksia tou Vaggeli na grafei kai stous 18 sundiasmous:<<...G:A=...>>,profanws o G kanei dhlwsh gia ton B. Tha akolouthHsoun kai alles duo apanthseis kathws epishs kai auth pou tha grapsw.Zhtw sugnwmh gia thn argoporia,den ginetai diaforetika. Filika

>From: Vaggelis Kapoulas <kapoulas(@)cti.gr>
>To: hfgdh fghdfhg <xison3(@)hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: QotD... Isws to problhma auto na einai to pio periploko ths
>listas mexri twra!
>Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 15:38:46 +0300
>
>
>Omorfo quiz!
>
>Av dev kavw la9os avnkei stnv katngoria twv meta-quiz n (meta-puzzles).
>
>H apavtnsn eivai pws kataskopos eivai o B.
>
>Gia tn lusn skeftnka ws e3ns:
>
>Yparxouv 18 pi9avoi suvduasmoi lex9evtwv apo ta tria proswpa:
> 1. A: G=Ippokomos, B: A=Ippotns kai G: A=Ippotns
> 2. A: G=Kataskopos, B: A=Ippotns kai G: A=Ippotns
> 3. A: G=Ippokomos, B: A=Ippokomos kai G: A=Ippotns
> 4. A: G=Kataskopos, B: A=Ippokomos kai G: A=Ippotns
> 5. A: G=Ippokomos, B: A=Kataskopos kai G: A=Ippotns
> 6. A: G=Kataskopos, B: A=Kataskopos kai G: A=Ippotns
> 7. A: G=Ippokomos, B: A=Ippotns kai G: A=Ippokomos
> 8. A: G=Kataskopos, B: A=Ippotns kai G: A=Ippokomos
> 9. A: G=Ippokomos, B: A=Ippokomos kai G: A=Ippokomos
>10. A: G=Kataskopos, B: A=Ippokomos kai G: A=Ippokomos
>11. A: G=Ippokomos, B: A=Kataskopos kai G: A=Ippokomos
>12. A: G=Kataskopos, B: A=Kataskopos kai G: A=Ippokomos
>13. A: G=Ippokomos, B: A=Ippotns kai G: A=Kataskopos
>14. A: G=Kataskopos, B: A=Ippotns kai G: A=Kataskopos
>15. A: G=Ippokomos, B: A=Ippokomos kai G: A=Kataskopos
>16. A: G=Kataskopos, B: A=Ippokomos kai G: A=Kataskopos
>17. A: G=Ippokomos, B: A=Kataskopos kai G: A=Kataskopos
>18. A: G=Kataskopos, B: A=Kataskopos kai G: A=Kataskopos
>
>Afou o dikastns mporese va brei tov kataskopo ejetazoume oles
>tis periptwseis gia va doume se poies 9a mporouse o dikastns
>va bgalei sumperasma. Etsi briskoume:
> 1. Bgainei sumperasma (A=Ippotns, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippokomos)
> 2. Eivai aduvato va sumbei
> 3. Dev bgaivei sumperasma (mporei A=Ippokomos, B=Ippotns, G=Kataskopos
> n A=Ippotns, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippokomos)
> 4. Bgainei sumperasma (A=Ippotns, B=Ippokomos, G=Kataskopos)
> 5. Bgainei sumperasma (A=Ippotns, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippokomos)
> 6. Bgainei sumperasma (A=Ippotns, B=Ippokomos, G=Kataskopos)
> 7. Dev bgaivei sumperasma (mporei A=Kataskopos, B=Ippokomos, G=Ippotns
> n A=Ippotns, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippokomos)
> 8. Bgainei sumperasma (A=Kataskopos, B=Ippokomos, G=Ippotns)
> 9. Dev bgaivei sumperasma (mporei A=Kataskopos, B=Ippokomos, G=Ippotns
> n A=Ippotns, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippokomos
> n A=Ippokomos, B=Ippotns, G=Kataskopos)
>10. Dev bgaivei sumperasma (mporei A=Kataskopos, B=Ippokomos, G=Ippotns
> n A=Ippotns, B=Ippokomos, G=Kataskopos
> n A=Ippokomos, B=Ippotns, G=Kataskopos)
>11. Dev bgaivei sumperasma (mporei A=Kataskopos, B=Ippotns, G=Ippokomos
> n A=Ippotns, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippokomos
> n A=Ippokomos, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippotns)
>12. Dev bgaivei sumperasma (mporei A=Ippokomos, B=Ippotns, G=Kataskopos
> n A=Kataskopos, B=Ippotns, G=Ippokomos)
>13. Bgainei sumperasma (A=Ippokomos, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippotns)
>14. Bgainei sumperasma (A=Ippokomos, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippotns)
>15. Dev bgaivei sumperasma (mporei A=Ippokomos, B=Ippotns, G=Kataskopos
> n A=Ippokomos, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippotns)
>16. Dev bgaivei sumperasma (mporei A=Ippotns, B=Ippokomos, G=Kataskopos
> n A=Ippokomos, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippotns)
>17. Dev bgaivei sumperasma (mporei A=Kataskopos, B=Ippotns, G=Ippokomos
> n A=Ippokomos, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippotns)
>18. Dev bgaivei sumperasma (mporei A=Kataskopos, B=Ippotns, G=Ippokomos
> n A=Ippotns, B=Ippokomos, G=Kataskopos)
> n A=Ippokomos, B=Kataskopos, G=Ippotns)
>
>Epomevws, o dikastns dev mporei va bre9nke mprosta stis periptwseis
>2, 3, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 15, 16, 17 kai 18 giati tote dev 9a mporouse
>va apofasisei. Afou omws mporese va apofasisei avtimetwpise mia apo
>tis periptwseis 1, 4, 5, 6, 8, 13 n 14.
>
>Fusika o logikologos me tis parapavw skeyeis dev mporouse va fgalei
>asfales sumperasma. Otav omws tou eipav tn dnlwsn tou A ta katafere.
>Av tou eipav oti n dnlwsh tou A ntav "G=Kataskopos" tote o logikologos
>9a n3ere oti suvaibei mia apo tis periptwseis 4, 6, 8 n 14 alla dev
>9a mporouse va katalabei poios eivai o kataskopos. Avti9eta av tou
>eipav oti n dnlwsh tou A ntav "G=Ippokomos" tote o logikologos 9a
>n3ere oti suvaibei mia apo tis periptwseis 1, 5 n 13. Tote omws 9a
>mporouse va katalabei oti kataskopos eivai o B (giati kai stis treis
>autes periptwseis auto eivai to asfales sumperasma).
>
>Emeis, epeidn 3eroume oti o logikologos brnke tov kataskopo,
>sumperaivoume oti kataskopos eivai o B.
>
>Elpizw va mnv exw kavei kapoio la9os.
>
>Filika,
>
>Baggelns Kapoulas
>
>
>hfgdh fghdfhg wrote:
> >
> > H upothesh anaferetai sth dikh triwn proswpwn,twn A,B,G.Otan arxise h
>dikh
> > egine gnwsto oti o enas apo tous treis htan ippoths(elege pantote
> > alhtheia),o deuteros ippokomos(elege pantote psemata)kai o tritos htan
> > kataskopos(merikes fores elege alhtheia kai merikes psemata)H dikh
>ginotan
> > gia na entopistei kai na katadikastei o kataskopos.
> > Arxika,zhththHke apo ton A na kanei mia dhlwsei.Ekeinos dhlwse eite oti
>o G
> > htan ippokomos eite oti o G htan kataskopos-emeis omws den gnwrizoume
>poia
> > htan h akribhs dhlwsh tou.Sth sunexeia o B eipe eite oti o A htan
>ippoths
> > eite oti o A htan ippokomos eite oti o A htan kataskopos,oute twra
>kseroume
> > ti apo ta tria eipe.Telos o G proebh se dhlwsh gia ton B sthn opoia
>anefere
> > eite oti o B htan ippoths eite oto o B htan ippokomos eite oti o B htan
> > kataskopos-oute auth th fora gnwrizoume poia htan h akribhs dhlwsh
>tou.Me
> > bash ta parapanw o dikasths katafere na prosdiorisei poios htan en telei
>o
> > kataskopos kai ton katadikase.
> > Thn upothesh auth th dihghthHkan se ena logikologo, o opoios ,afou
>melethse
> > gia ligo to problhma,apofanthHke:<<Den exw eparkeis plhrofories gia na
> > prosdiorisw poios htan o kataskopos>>Tote aneferan sto logikologo thn
>akribh
> > dhlwsh tou A,kai mono etsi mporese na prosdiorisei ton kataskopo.
> > Poios htan ,alhtheia, o kataskopos-o A ,o B, h o G ?
> >
> > (den kserw bebaia an to problhma uparxei sth lista )
> >
> > PK

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